Ezra Klein

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767 appearances 2 recordings 1 series first heard Mar 2026 last heard 11 Sep

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Hard Fork · The Ezra Klein Show: How Fast Will A.I. Agents Rip Through the Economy? · 27 Mar 2026 podcast

I've often wondered if one of the ways these AI systems are going to change society broadly is that it used to be that most of us had to be writers if we were working with text. voice-verified

We had to be coders if we were working with code, which relatively few of us did. voice-verified

And now... voice-verified

Everybody's moving up to management. voice-verified

You have to be an editor, not a writer. voice-verified

You have to be a product manager, not a coder. voice-verified

And that has pluses and minuses. voice-verified

There are things you learn as a writer that you don't learn as an editor. voice-verified

But as a heuristic, how accurate does that seem to you? voice-verified

So I remember it was about a year ago, I heard, I think it was Dario, your CEO, say that by the end of 2025, he wanted 90% of the code written at Anthropic to be written by Claude. voice-verified

Has that happened? voice-verified

Is Anthropic on track for that? voice-verified

I mean, how much coding is now being done by the system itself? voice-verified

But it is also true, as I understand it, that there are more people with software engineering skills working at Anthropic today than there were two years ago. voice-verified

Let me put a pin in that, the entry-level job question. voice-verified

We're going to come back to that quite shortly. voice-verified

But what are all these coders now doing? voice-verified

If Cloud Code is on track to be writing 99% of code, but you've not fired the people who know how to write code, voice-verified

What are they doing today compared to what they were doing a year ago? voice-verified

Claude Code is a fairly new product. voice-verified

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