Ezra Klein

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767 appearances 2 recordings 1 series first heard Mar 2026 last heard 11 Sep

Ezra Klein’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.

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Hard Fork · The Ezra Klein Show: How Fast Will A.I. Agents Rip Through the Economy? · 27 Mar 2026 podcast

So you can have a lot of disruption without having 50% of people thrown out of work, right? voice-verified

If you have 10%, 15%, I mean, that's very, very, very high. voice-verified

But it's not so high. voice-verified

And if it's only happening in a couple of industries at a time, and it's grads, not everybody in the industry being thrown out of work, well, maybe it's just that you're not good enough. voice-verified

Right? voice-verified

You know, the superstar is a really good graduate is still getting jobs. voice-verified

You should have worked harder. voice-verified

You should have gone to a better school. voice-verified

And voice-verified

One of my worries is that we don't respond to that kind of job displacement well, right? voice-verified

Which is the kind of job displacement we got from China, which is the kind of job displacement that seems likelier because it's uneven and it's happening at a rate where we can still blame people for their own fortunes. voice-verified

I'm curious how you think about that story. voice-verified

let's talk about the policy discussion. voice-verified

One reason I wanted to have you in particular on is you did policy at OpenAI. voice-verified

You do policy at Anthropix. voice-verified

You've been around these policy debates for a long time. voice-verified

You've been tracking model capabilities in your newsletter for a long time. voice-verified

My perception is we are many, many years into the debate about AI and jobs. voice-verified

Many, many years, dating far before ChatGPT, of there being conferences at Aspen and everywhere else about, you know, what are we going to do about AI and jobs? voice-verified

And somehow, I still see almost no policy that seems to me to be actionable if the situation I just described begins showing up, where all of a sudden, entry-level jobs are getting much harder to come by across a large range of industries. voice-verified

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