Ezra Klein

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767 appearances 2 recordings 1 series first heard Mar 2026 last heard 11 Sep

Ezra Klein’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.

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Recordings per month over the last 12 months — 2 in all, peaking in Sep 2026 with 1.

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all at once, such that the economy cannot reshift all these marketing majors into data center construction or nurses or something. voice-verified

So, okay, you've been deeper in this conversation than I've been. voice-verified

When you say we can have a policy conversation about that, we've been having a policy conversation. voice-verified

Do we have policy? voice-verified

I always find this answer depressing. voice-verified

I'm going to be honest. voice-verified

Unemployment is a terrible thing to be on. voice-verified

It's a program we need, but people on unemployment are not happy about it. voice-verified

And it's not a good long-term solution for anybody. voice-verified

Apprentice retraining programs, they don't have great track records. voice-verified

We were not good at retraining people out of having their manufacturing jobs outsourced. voice-verified

I'm not saying it is conceptually impossible that we could get better at it, but we would need to get better at it fast. voice-verified

And we have not been putting in the reps or the experimentation or the institution or capacity building to do that. voice-verified

And the broader question of big social insurance changes doesn't seem... voice-verified

I mean, it seems tough to me. voice-verified

Well, I think time is a really good way of describing what the question is, because I agree with you. voice-verified

I mean, when I say unemployment insurance isn't a great program to be on, I don't mean people don't need to be on it. voice-verified

I mean, they want to get off of it. voice-verified

Absolutely. voice-verified

Because people, they want money from jobs, they want dignity, they want to be around other human beings. voice-verified

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