Ezra Klein

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Hard Fork · The Ezra Klein Show: The A.I. Revolt Is Here · 11 Sep 2026 podcast

I think that the way that not all of the AI companies, and I think Anthropic has largely been a good actor here, but many of them have acted, has opened up such a chasm between what they say and then how they act under pressure that one should be incredibly, incredibly skeptical of them. voice-verified

And what I mean by this is that voice-verified

You know, Sam Altman and all the different people, you know, in front of congressional testimony and in interviews will say, you know, it should not just be us making these decisions. voice-verified

There should be a real deep, small-D democratic role here in how AI rolls out, in, you know, what effects it has on communities and how it is governed. voice-verified

And then when a community or a politician who is representing a community tries to say, well, we don't want this data center here, or we want to impose these regulations, we have watched repeatedly these companies turn tremendous amounts of financial artillery voice-verified

whoever is standing in their way, right? voice-verified

And to use the expertise and the money and the power they are amassing to voice-verified

To kind of short circuit that democratic voice. voice-verified

You did a big piece for The Times on the very widespread belief in Silicon Valley that they will create this underclass. voice-verified

Yeah. voice-verified

What does the underclass mean to them? voice-verified

I'm pretty skeptical of this vision, although I don't rule it out, right? voice-verified

It might happen. voice-verified

Although I just don't think AI is going to be quite as revolutionary as a lot of these people think and will not diffuse into the real world as easily. voice-verified

But, you know, the thing you're going to need to adjust to any major technological change is time. voice-verified

And then also it's like the industry is like an all out war to make sure we have as little time for adjustment as voice-verified

And I just find it hard to like not that. voice-verified

I have had so many people at the top of these companies, right, the very tippy top, tell me they wish all this would slow down. voice-verified

I'm sure you have had them say this to you, right? voice-verified

But in this world where in their unguarded moments, they will say they wish all this was going slower. voice-verified

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