Ezra Klein

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Hard Fork · The Ezra Klein Show: The A.I. Revolt Is Here · 11 Sep 2026 podcast

let's run faster to the bad place is not nearly as compelling an argument. voice-verified

And all of a sudden, the idea that we should have policy in place that slows things down for more voice, for more consideration, voice-verified

It's not crazy. voice-verified

And I guess one place this goes is that I have begun to notice like a really interesting convergence between the SF AI safety people in a way and like the AI populace like a Bernie Sanders or in a different way an Abdul El-Sayed. voice-verified

who are getting to not that different places but through very very different mechanisms right they're like the ai safety people who actually believe we are in a race but they believe that winning that race might bring the end of humanity right and so like they don't they don't want to move that fast right if we began to slow down we'd have more credibility for negotiating with china and like trying to come up with like international treaties and all the rest of it voice-verified

You know, and then you have like the kind of more AI populist side who just like doesn't want to give all these tech billionaires all this power, who doesn't believe this technology will be good for people. voice-verified

And they're starting to come up with like maybe not the policies AI safety people would, but, you know, data center moratoriums and things like that. voice-verified

And so you have this sort of slightly strange, like you would not have considered this coalition, right? voice-verified

is both in lines of doesn't and does kind of makes it, you know what I mean? voice-verified

So I think listening to this, we've been sort of living in the data center moratorium side of the politics. voice-verified

But what's the other side of it? voice-verified

What are the problems with just saying, OK, fine, like, let's not build any more data centers? voice-verified

I would add two other things to that that I'd be curious to hear your take on. voice-verified

So one, you mentioned data centers moving towards other localities. voice-verified

And those localities are not randomly selected. voice-verified

They're localities that are going to impose fewer conditions. voice-verified

So maybe that is fewer environmental conditions. voice-verified

But, you know, in the case of maybe a UAE or some of the Gulf states that are interested here, you know, you're looking at more authoritarian countries, right? voice-verified

So I've heard a lot of people worry about that or, you know, Elon Musk in space. voice-verified

Yes. voice-verified

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