Ezra Klein

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Hard Fork · The Ezra Klein Show: The A.I. Revolt Is Here · 11 Sep 2026 podcast

So in a sense, if you make it so the data centers cannot go into places where there is more democratic control, you might end up with less overall democratic control. voice-verified

The other thing, and I do think this is significant, is that there is right now more demand for compute than there is compute. voice-verified

You know, people talk a lot about a bubble, but we do not look to have excess AI supply at the moment. voice-verified

And if demand keeps rising because, you know, the coding agents get better and all the rest of the things we know that are happening, but you are constricting the supply of compute, then you end up with more inequality in who can afford it. voice-verified

So, you know, a Goldman Sachs, a JP Morgan, right, you know, a company with a lot of money to buy compute is going to have a lot of it. voice-verified

And then, you know, ordinary users, small businesses, et cetera. voice-verified

If you believe AI is important and powerful, and I believe it is important and powerful, then you have a problem where you have created much more stratification and who can afford it. voice-verified

How do you think about those dimensions of it? voice-verified

You were in China for a trip reporting on AI. voice-verified

Was there much political AI backlash and ferment there from what you could see? voice-verified

There's been some reporting that China and Russia are pushing sort of anti-data center memes and social media bots. voice-verified

It's hard for me to tell what scale that is, but it has been very much picked up on by people like Kevin O'Leary, the Shark Tank guy whose big data center project has faced a lot of backlash. voice-verified

Do you buy the sort of growing view among at least some tech elite that the data center backlash is like a Chinese psyop? voice-verified

So when you talk to people in the AI companies and sort of talk to them about this backlash, I know they're very worried about this, right? voice-verified

I've talked to them about this. voice-verified

What are they learning from it? voice-verified

Yeah, the version of this I've heard is we have a marketing problem. voice-verified

Maybe we should stop saying aloud so often voice-verified

our technology might take everybody's job and has a 10% chance of upending or destroying humanity altogether. voice-verified

What has not been clear to me, even as they begin to like maybe move away from that messaging a little bit, is whether or not they no longer believe that. voice-verified

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