Ezra Klein

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Hard Fork · The Ezra Klein Show: The A.I. Revolt Is Here · 11 Sep 2026 podcast

I agree with that. voice-verified

And I think that's why the China card in this has been such like a destructive part of the argument. voice-verified

I'm not even sure it's totally untrue. voice-verified

Like I am completely willing to believe that China and America are in a race for a economically and geopolitically important technology, even if you don't buy like recursive superintelligence. voice-verified

But the way that has been used to not say, well, we should enter into international negotiations or something, but instead just like. voice-verified

we cannot slow down whatsoever, no matter what else we worry about or believe, I think has been it is acted as a kind of blackmail. voice-verified

And the thing is that it's not bought by enough people outside of the industry. voice-verified

But I think the phase of the politics we're now in is out of their control. voice-verified

And it is just not going to be the case that they have control over the AI narrative like next year that they had two years ago. voice-verified

And yeah, I don't really think they know what to do in that space. voice-verified

And so now it's like either going to have to start benefiting people, right? voice-verified

Some of these, like if people began seeing like drug cures come out, right? voice-verified

All these things we've actually been promised. voice-verified

And you could say like we're beginning to see the beginning of like mathematical conjectures, like that's been pretty cool. voice-verified

But we're not really seeing the gains. voice-verified

And if you start getting the losses before the gains, right, you start getting the job loss, for instance, before the promised superabundance, politically, that's not going to be an equilibrium you can protect. voice-verified

that most people- We pulled immortality. voice-verified

It's so funny. voice-verified

My view for a very long time has been that a lot of people in these companies overrate how much of the bottleneck in scientific and human progress is raw intelligence. voice-verified

And just, I mean, this is a point of abundance, but the point of covering anything anywhere, the world is full of friction. voice-verified

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