Ezra Klein

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1,272 appearances 3 recordings 1 series first heard Mar 2026 last heard 2d ago

Ezra Klein’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.

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Hard Fork · The Ezra Klein Show: How Fast Will A.I. Agents Rip Through the Economy? · 27 Mar 2026 podcast

We're going to come back to that quite shortly. voice-verified

But what are all these coders now doing? voice-verified

If Cloud Code is on track to be writing 99% of code, but you've not fired the people who know how to write code, voice-verified

What are they doing today compared to what they were doing a year ago? voice-verified

Claude Code is a fairly new product. voice-verified

The amount of time in which Claude has been capable of doing high-level coding can be measured in months, a year? voice-verified

Maybe a year, yeah. voice-verified

Claude itself is a very valuable product. voice-verified

So you've set a very new technology somewhat loose on a very valuable product. voice-verified

You're probably producing more code. voice-verified

One thing many people say about Claude Code to me is that it works. voice-verified

It's not elegant, but it works. voice-verified

Yeah. voice-verified

But presumably now you now understand the code base less well than you did before because your engineers are not writing it by hand. voice-verified

Are you worried that you're creating huge amounts of technical debt, cybersecurity risk, just an increasing distance from an intuition for what is happening inside the fundamental language of the software? voice-verified

You said it's everybody's problem, but you're ahead on facing this problem. voice-verified

And the consequences of getting it wrong for you are pretty high, right? voice-verified

If Claude blows up because you handed over your coding to Claude Code, that's going to make Anthropic look fairly bad. voice-verified

Yeah, seems bad. voice-verified

So... voice-verified

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