Ezra Klein

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767 appearances 2 recordings 1 series first heard Mar 2026 last heard 11 Sep

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Hard Fork · The Ezra Klein Show: The A.I. Revolt Is Here · 11 Sep 2026 podcast

But a normal kind of, I don't want the industrial infrastructure built in my backyard because like, you know, what am I going to get out of that? voice-verified

how much of it is actually something that is more related to people's feelings about AI, which is, I don't want this built here because why would I want to pay the cost for a thing that I don't want there to even be more of in the first place? voice-verified

You have a very influential definition of AI populism where you called a worldview in which AI is viewed not only as a normal technology, but as an elite political project to be resisted. voice-verified

Unpack that for me. voice-verified

Yeah, I consider the water. voice-verified

I don't want to say the water issue is fake. voice-verified

What I will say is like there was a debate. voice-verified

online a while back about how much water like a chat GPT query consumed. voice-verified

And somebody was like, if you really care about water, are you eating beef? voice-verified

As someone who doesn't eat meat, I thought this was a quite good, like you could really save a lot of water by going vegetarian. voice-verified

And relatively much, much more than not using chat GPT. voice-verified

And relatively few people in that conversation were giving up meat. voice-verified

Or giving voice-verified

Or giving up YouTube videos. voice-verified

Which is to say that I think sometimes people don't like a thing and they're looking for reasons to justify that dislike. voice-verified

But what's actually happening at the base is they don't like the thing. voice-verified

And the data centers, as you're saying, I think speak to this AI populism question even more precisely. voice-verified

Because the issue with AI itself is that... voice-verified

I think people's relationship to it is very complicated. voice-verified

I have myself a very complicated relationship to AI. voice-verified

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