Ezra Klein

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Hard Fork · The Ezra Klein Show: How Fast Will A.I. Agents Rip Through the Economy? · 27 Mar 2026 podcast

It seems just like a little bit lacking given how big the technology is. voice-verified

The other side of this is that the one area of government that I do think thinks about AI in this way is defense. voice-verified

I want to talk about that broadly, but specifically, Anthropic is in a current dispute with the Department of Defense, or I guess we call it now the Department of War, over whether it can continue to be used in it. voice-verified

Can you describe what is happening there? voice-verified

So, well, I will describe that there is some dispute. voice-verified

I guess my question, because I recognize you're not going to talk about what's going on with you and your partner, but it's about a broader issue here, which is there is going to be a lot of offensive possibility in advanced AI systems. voice-verified

And one of the strongest drivers of the speed at which we're going with AI is competition with China. voice-verified

Some of the biggest risks that we think about in the near term are cybersecurity, are biological warfare, are all kinds of ways that others could use these against us, are drone swarms. voice-verified

And there's going to be a lot of money in this and a lot of players in it. voice-verified

And it really seems unclear to me how you keep this kind of competition from spinning into something very dangerous. voice-verified

So without talking about what you may or may not do with the Defense Department, how has Anthropic thought about this question more broadly? voice-verified

That would be good if it happened. voice-verified

My worry is, as an individual, that I feel the opposite might be happening. voice-verified

So... voice-verified

I've just watched people installing all kinds of fly-by-night AI software and giving it a lot of access to their computers without any knowledge of what the vulnerabilities are. voice-verified

I myself am nervous about using things like Cloud Code because I am bad at talking to Cloud Code and I don't understand these questions and I'm worried about loading onto my computer something that is creating security vulnerabilities I don't even understand. voice-verified

The number of just scam, voice-verified

voice messages I get every day, everything that are clearly somewhat AI generated, or many of them seem to be to me, is very high. voice-verified

There's a question of societally, do we use it to upgrade our systems? voice-verified

I'm actually curious for your thoughts individually, because as we're all experimenting with something we don't understand and giving it access to the terminal level of our computers without any real knowledge of how to use that, it seems like it might be opening up a lot of vulnerability all at once. voice-verified

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