Ezra Klein

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767 appearances 2 recordings 1 series first heard Mar 2026 last heard 11 Sep

Ezra Klein’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.

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Hard Fork · The Ezra Klein Show: The A.I. Revolt Is Here · 11 Sep 2026 podcast

We're building the thing we're telling you to be afraid of and we need to build it as fast as possible, even though we sort of admit that it would be better if the whole thing was slowed down. voice-verified

It's very confusing. voice-verified

It's a weird argument. voice-verified

Yeah, voice-verified

So then how do you reconcile what? voice-verified

many of these executives, many of these AI company workers are telling you about their fears of creating an underclass, about their fears of losing control. voice-verified

I mean, we just saw the situation where OpenAI's model was breaking out of a sandbox in order to sort of cheat on its evaluation, right? voice-verified

So the AI safety people are very worried, right? voice-verified

The safety teams in here clearly don't have full control or even understanding of what they're building. voice-verified

How do you reconcile, if you reconcile, voice-verified

the way the AI companies talk when they are giving voice to their fears or the people at them talk when they're giving voice to their fears. voice-verified

And they're like pretty profound hostility to anything that would slow down how fast we are building this thing whose consequences they freely admit they cannot predict. voice-verified

I would not build that. voice-verified

it's... Sam Bankman-Fried. voice-verified

middle narrative. voice-verified

I heard Sam Bankman-Fried say that. voice-verified

I think it was on Tyler Cowen's podcast. voice-verified

It was like, oh, that's a psychopath. voice-verified

To actually believe that, you would have to be a psychopath. voice-verified

You would have to have a very, very, very low value on, I think, human life. voice-verified

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