Ezra Klein

that in a way that was not true when you were giving quotes in newspapers or going on Meet the Press or being on the nightly news, I think actually inauthentic figures could do perfectly well there.

Somehow institutions, to go back to what we were talking about, institutions don't care about authenticity.

They actually want you to change who you are to conform to what they need.

Yes.

But

these sort of anti-institutional spaces.

They do, yeah.

There's something about them where people, I always feel this when people are on the show, the first thing the audience can sense is inauthenticity.

The first thing they can sense is you not telling them what you really think.

Yeah, and you gotta be, I think that's such a good point that you have to be

You have to be some version of your actual self to figure it out and to do it right.

Rahm Emanuel is not, in my view, likely to be the Democrats' 2028 nominee, but his somewhat unlikely presidential campaign is going to do...

Better than I think people realize it's going to do in being a sort of force in the primary.

Yeah.

Because he is fundamentally himself.

Totally.

Yes.

In all places.

Yes.

And so that allows him to just sort of attack and run plays and be compelling.