Ezra Klein

And also he's got to go back to the risk calculation.

He's got nothing to lose.

He can say yes to everything.

And he's a high risk personality.

Yeah.

He's got a high risk personality.

He's an unusual, highly institutional figure.

Yeah.

Has very, very, very high risk appetites.

Speaking of 2028.

We talked about AOC a little bit ago, and I think she's one of the big figures here.

But what have you made of John Ossoff's emergence as a cross-ideological 2028 dark horse?

A person who I've been talking about for a while, but Hasan Piker is talking about, Matt Iglesias is talking, right?

Michelle Goldberg just did a great piece on him.

There's something interesting in what people are projecting onto John Ossoff.

I have been jokingly calling him in our team Slack the Lisan al-Gaib, which is just a Dune reference to the, like, the, you know, the Chalamet figure who is essentially the kind of chosen one, right?

The foretold prophet.

This is a joke, just to be clear.

And the reason that I use that is... Jewish Kennedy, man.

There is something about...