Fareed Zakaria

And I want to save the lives of the poorest people in Africa if I can do it at 1% of the federal budget, right?

Sometimes I worry the Democrats are too scared to make the argument that there's something honorable and noble about the kind of things we were doing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I think, by the way, that is the place the Democrats should be.

Because as you say, the Democrats totally mishandled immigration over the last 10 years.

Biden, you know, it was a disaster.

You don't want to be supporting massive illegal immigration.

It's wrong.

It's bad, right?

And so the question is, how do you get at this?

And is there a way to do it that is more consistent with our values and yet is very effective and very hard line?

And, you know, I mean, look, as a legal immigrant, I in particular don't like the idea that you can cut, you know, you can cut the line as it were.

But, you know, there's a way to do it that's consistent with our values.

And it's sort of the opposite of what the whole point of liberal democracy is.

You know, this is kind of like highly mobilized societies charged to find internal enemies.

And, you know, it feels very different.

Like the whole point of liberal democracy is you live in your house, the government respects your privacy, nobody interferes with your, you know, you go on, you have your wonderful private life.

Amen.

you know civil society builds that's that's what it used to be and that's what the whole idea of capitalism and and liberal democracy was and american democracy the craziest thing to me has been watching the don't tread on me crowd flip over to

An idealization of state power.