Trump’s New World Disorder with Adam Tooze and Ivan Krastev
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What are Trump's ambitions regarding Greenland and its implications?
Hello. Welcome back to the weekly show podcast with Jon Stewart. My name is Jon Stewart and we have been gone. God knows how long we've been gone. I can tell you how long we've been gone. I'm back at my podcasting desk and there are, it would appear to be three dead insects. You would think that I would have come up here and cleared those out, but I took a nice break. But boy, did the world not. There is so much going on that is dispiriting and needing of. framing. And I'm delighted to have Fareed Zakaria is going to be joining us on the show. You know, so much of this is about what exactly is the theory of power for this Trump administration? Is there anything that we can figure out that kind of gives us a coherent directional worldview as to where these guys are going?
Or is it just literally big fuck small?
How does the current administration's worldview challenge international norms?
I think it's more complicated than that. How does Iran and Venezuela fit into all that? You know, all these different things we will try and run through and and get some through line that could maybe help us feel slightly less vertigo from what we feel from the bouncing around between we are going to invade uh greenland and also is that delicious oil i think i'm going to have to to to take over your country and drill it uh so i'm gonna i haven't talked to this fella used to come on uh the old daily show constantly, and I haven't been able to talk to him in quite a bit, so I'm delighted to have him on the program today. Mr. Fareed Zakaria, host of CNN's Fareed Zakaria GPS. And so, folks, in a world that has so many now plates spinning in the air and a constant stream of what appear to be
really close to cataclysmic events and catastrophes. We bring in a gentleman who's been doing his program, keeping an eye on all this sort of thing for 18 years now, Fareed Zakaria, host of CNN's Fareed Zakaria GPS. And as we spoke earlier, you were the most frequent guest that we had on The Daily Show back when I still had to work every night, which God bless. You figured that early on, Fareed, didn't you?
Well, it was a huge pleasure, honestly. But you asked me to do it when I was very young, and it was based on my first book, actually, which was all about illiberal democracy, you know, democracies where elected rulers start to abuse, elected leaders start to abuse the rule of law and, you know, individual rights. In those days, I was talking about places like Pakistan and the Philippines, not the United States of America. And it was a huge pleasure. And of course, it leaves me wondering, what happened, John? What am I, chopped liver?
Why have you forgotten me? Oh, let me tell you what happens. So I disappear for nine years, raise a couple of kids. and then uh i decided to come back once a week i don't have time for any guests i don't somebody shows up you gotta see you now you gotta look young and hip and like i'm you know i'm old news i don't somehow i think this face uh you know i'm ready to play tevye in fiddler i mean with this face it's you'd be good none of this is working uh farid uh What a great way to jump into it, which is, you know, you make your bones on this idea of illiberal democracies and all the ways in which these more authoritarian rulers use the mechanisms of democracy to create systems that are actually eroding it and corroding it.
and the infrastructure of it to the point of somewhat of a collapse. And you jumped my first question, which is, are you seeing now the things that you viewed in Philippines, and I don't want to be, you know, alarmist or hyperbolic, but boy, it's hard not to view this country as, you know, The polite way would be, I guess, we are now a subsidiary of the Trump organization, which would look at it more benignly.
What is the theory of power under the Trump administration?
And the less benign way would be they've been using these illiberal techniques in test kitchens in the Philippines and all kinds of other places. And now they've brought this new McRib to the United States and they're applying it here.
Look, there's no question that that's true. When I was writing about it, when I coined the phrase illiberal democracy in 96, 97, I was looking at places like Pakistan, the Philippines, Slovakia, Turkey, Erdogan, you could begin to see it happening.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What are Trump's ambitions regarding Greenland and its implications?
0:08–1:00
2
How does the current administration's worldview challenge international norms?
1:00–4:24
3
What is the theory of power under the Trump administration?
4:24–7:34
4
How do illiberal democracies affect the United States?
7:34–10:19
5
What historical parallels can be drawn with Iran and Venezuela?
10:19–12:43
6
How does the U.S. approach to foreign policy reflect its values?
12:43–16:51
7
What are the consequences of America's shift away from a rules-based order?
16:51–20:26
8
How can the U.S. regain its standing in the world?
20:26–1:28:23