Fearne Cotton

Yeah, I think curiosity changes the whole direction of it.

It's like, because just judging yourself is like, full stop, a dead end.

I feel like shit.

And actually the curiosity is like...

this is quite interesting.

Why am I doing this again?

Why have I fallen into the same pattern again?

I've noticed that myself recently with things that I've been doing or finding myself saying to people, I'm like, how have I not learned this lesson?

What am I doing?

But this is interesting.

Let's get stuck into this when I go to therapy next.

Since I last saw you in 2023, so much has changed.

I mean, you're going to know a lot more about this than I will.

But in terms of science, neuroscience, how we talk about therapy, how we talk about the brain, what do you think you've either learned or changed tact with since 2023 in terms of your work or how you even approach the subject of mental health?

And also, I guess your readers, the people that follow your work, they're going to be ready.

They've read your first books and now they're like, and what's next?

And I think the conversation is still a long way to go if we look at...

Talking about therapy, making it more accessible to everybody, the whole conversation.

But it feels more in flow maybe than when we first met.

It's one of the reasons your book blew up so massively because it was needed.