Fearne Cotton

And the work, I guess, there is learning to, well, like unlearn that.

There's opportunity to change and to make your...

existence more peaceful essentially I think when you're not berating yourself so much and you understand you're a person of value that's mental peace isn't it like whenever I've been through any times of deep anxiety it's because I've lost that peace I feel it's everything's too jumbled nothing makes sense and to have I think certainly as I've gotten older mental peace is like one of my goals it used to be

make everything as exciting as possible, you know, like sort of adrenaline and all this kind of crazy stuff.

And now I just want clarity.

Yeah.

Mental peace.

Yeah.

Since I last saw you, you've also been through your own personal struggles and you were diagnosed with breast cancer, which you've talked about on your channels because obviously is a great level of connection you can have with your audience who have also been through something similar or had people in their family, their circle, undoubtedly, sadly, who have been through

a similar thing.

What did you learn about yourself during that process?

Knowing so much about how our minds work and psychology, what did you notice coming up for yourself?

Yeah, that switch, because I've heard you talk about this before, the prey predator thing.

And it's applicable to so many situations in life where we feel out of control, like I'm the victim of something happening to me.

Yeah.

And actually for you to be able to find that

empowerment that autonomy to go I'm going to turn the tables here I've got more power than actually I'm I can see and I'm going to do something about it I think that is so game-changing for people in so many situations yeah and I think it's you know agency is is one of the fundamentals the sort of core thing about mental health is if you feel that you can't have any sense of agency or

In a situation like yours or in other ones where you do feel like you're out of control initially or there's just big feelings coming up, whether it's anxiety, sorrow, anger, I'm always confused as to how much we're meant to honour those feelings and lean into them versus go...

I'm not going there because that's going to make me feel worse.

Like the whole theory of whatever you resist persists versus I'm choosing to not torture myself by constantly feeling sad, angry, anxious, whatever it might be.