Fernanda Echavarri

Yeah, yeah. You got to do all that.

Yeah, yeah. You got to do all that.

Ok, so she's in the contest. She's on TV. I can see her in this video. She's walking to the front of the stage. She's got, you know, one hand on her waist. She's smiling at the judges. She totally looks like she's done this before, by the way.

Ok, so she's in the contest. She's on TV. I can see her in this video. She's walking to the front of the stage. She's got, you know, one hand on her waist. She's smiling at the judges. She totally looks like she's done this before, by the way.

And at this point, I mean, this is being broadcast on live national TV, right? Which means that Kat is being seen all over Brazilian households that night, right?

And at this point, I mean, this is being broadcast on live national TV, right? Which means that Kat is being seen all over Brazilian households that night, right?

Even the beauty, the beauty queens, they're not taught to like just smile and wave and they like actually break down and they're like... One thing is being trained to do something.

Even the beauty, the beauty queens, they're not taught to like just smile and wave and they like actually break down and they're like... One thing is being trained to do something.

And what did her trainer say? Was he surprised that she didn't make it farther?

And what did her trainer say? Was he surprised that she didn't make it farther?

So then after this, what did Kat do next?

So then after this, what did Kat do next?

Until prison, of course. Yeah. What do you think it was about beauty pageants for her? I guess it's sort of easy to think that so much of it is about validation for her, right? But maybe it's about a different form of validation.

Until prison, of course. Yeah. What do you think it was about beauty pageants for her? I guess it's sort of easy to think that so much of it is about validation for her, right? But maybe it's about a different form of validation.

Maybe the beauty pageant is a very sort of physical representation of the grading of your looks, the physical comparison to your peers to stand next to someone and be like, I am physically better than you. I don't know. What do you think?

Maybe the beauty pageant is a very sort of physical representation of the grading of your looks, the physical comparison to your peers to stand next to someone and be like, I am physically better than you. I don't know. What do you think?

Wow, interesting. I didn't know that about Brazil.

Wow, interesting. I didn't know that about Brazil.

So I'm wondering, like looking back at when you made this podcast the first time in Brazil, in Portuguese, at what point did you say, I have to tell the story of Cat Torres? Because as we learned in the last episode, you, when you interviewed Leticia Tupinamba, you knew who Cat Torres was because of her meme page, you know, back before you ever thought you would do a story about her.

So I'm wondering, like looking back at when you made this podcast the first time in Brazil, in Portuguese, at what point did you say, I have to tell the story of Cat Torres? Because as we learned in the last episode, you, when you interviewed Leticia Tupinamba, you knew who Cat Torres was because of her meme page, you know, back before you ever thought you would do a story about her.