Fernanda Echavarri

Then you saw her life coach profile. But once the story becomes dark, at what point as a journalist do you say, okay, I'm going to investigate this and I'm going to make a podcast about it?

Then you saw her life coach profile. But once the story becomes dark, at what point as a journalist do you say, okay, I'm going to investigate this and I'm going to make a podcast about it?

Yeah, you're looking at this woman and you're like, her? Really?

Yeah, you're looking at this woman and you're like, her? Really?

And the original version was such a huge hit in Brazil. I mean, congratulations for stuff. Why do you think this was such a huge story with a Brazilian audience? What about Kat's story resonated so much with Brazilians?

And the original version was such a huge hit in Brazil. I mean, congratulations for stuff. Why do you think this was such a huge story with a Brazilian audience? What about Kat's story resonated so much with Brazilians?

You know, we've talked so much about how much we live online and how much Brazilians live online. And in episode one, when we in the audience sort of gets to know you, you tell us how you became a social media influencer as your journalism career took off and your podcast and your books brought you Instagram followers. All of this is bringing you sponsorships and ad opportunities. Make that money.

You know, we've talked so much about how much we live online and how much Brazilians live online. And in episode one, when we in the audience sort of gets to know you, you tell us how you became a social media influencer as your journalism career took off and your podcast and your books brought you Instagram followers. All of this is bringing you sponsorships and ad opportunities. Make that money.

Yep. So I'm curious, what was it like to tell the story of the dark side of social media when you yourself are profiting from social media? Because you're not on the dark side. Let's also make that very clear. There's a dark side of social media.

Yep. So I'm curious, what was it like to tell the story of the dark side of social media when you yourself are profiting from social media? Because you're not on the dark side. Let's also make that very clear. There's a dark side of social media.

But you can't put yourself in the same category. Like there's got to be categories.

But you can't put yourself in the same category. Like there's got to be categories.

I want to switch back to Kat for a moment here. Well, about you and Kat, because throughout the time that we worked on this English version of the podcast, We came really close to doing an interview with Kat in prison.

I want to switch back to Kat for a moment here. Well, about you and Kat, because throughout the time that we worked on this English version of the podcast, We came really close to doing an interview with Kat in prison.

You were in Brazil, and there was a time where for maybe five or six weeks, every week that we met, it was like, we might do the interview this Friday, or we might hear about the interview this Friday. It might happen this Friday. It might happen this Friday. And there was a lot of back and forth.

You were in Brazil, and there was a time where for maybe five or six weeks, every week that we met, it was like, we might do the interview this Friday, or we might hear about the interview this Friday. It might happen this Friday. It might happen this Friday. And there was a lot of back and forth.

Yeah, let's share a little bit of what was going on with the interview with Kat and who you were in contact with. Sure.

Yeah, let's share a little bit of what was going on with the interview with Kat and who you were in contact with. Sure.

And, and we really tried, you know, for folks to hear from Kat directly. Um, but it didn't happen. Um, I just have two more questions for you. And one is, and I want to make it known for you as audience that we are everybody in the presence of Brazilian podcast royalty. Chico Felitti is a master behind the microphone in Portuguese.

And, and we really tried, you know, for folks to hear from Kat directly. Um, but it didn't happen. Um, I just have two more questions for you. And one is, and I want to make it known for you as audience that we are everybody in the presence of Brazilian podcast royalty. Chico Felitti is a master behind the microphone in Portuguese.