Fernando De Leon

They're massively important to people's understanding of how to pursue their goals.

And so if you provide that value, you get rewarded.

Mm-hmm.

If what you do doesn't provide value to others in society, then you don't you don't get rewarded.

It's sort of a very, very fair system, in my opinion.

And I think that that underpins my pursuit of business creation is that if we can build businesses with people with stamina that have the ability to deal with adversity and that we can provide a value to society, then we'll be rewarded for it.

And we've done that a few times.

No, no, no, no.

The opposite.

What we need to do is continue doing what we're doing.

And the political thing is way too complicated.

That's one thing that people, business people, have not been able to solve is how to deal with the political chaos of the last few years.

Or at least a governor.

Money and wealth was never sort of important for material things.

It was important because it provided safety to my family.

And so I had a –

Early days, my father passed away when I was about 12 years old.

And so the family, I was the only American citizen in the family.

I could speak English.

I had these advantages.