Fiona Delaney

Yeah, that makes sense.

It's like the kind of stuff.

Yeah.

The supply chain is so complex.

Well, it's too generic.

That's true.

The thing, it's too generic.

I think farming and agriculture, agri-food systems are landscape-based, location-driven, community, landscape, climate, like microclimate around certain, you know, the mountains around Barcelona or that kind of thing for the wine industry.

It's, you need to take cognizance

of these things you know if you're building user first so that's what we were doing we built some really beautiful stuff some of it is still used it's like getting your song on the radio it's like amazing these people love it and a lot of the stuff that we built because of the way our funding came through through the European Commission a lot of it is open source builds and which is very gratifying I think I feel um yeah I like that that kind of thing that's great

You know, taking the massive big picture a bit like what you've done now and what we've seen, let's say in the past 50 years is the demise of local food system.

Yes.

Probably even longer than that, right?

Yeah, probably right.

When I think of my mom's farm that she grew up on, relatively small holding chickens, pigs, probably a goat, a donkey.

Her father was a wheelwright, right?

So before the car, my grandmother was fixing wheels.

And in the barns back home were all these beautiful car wheels.

It's amazing.

And then