Fiona Fung

Actually, that's agent.

It's I love that word agency.

That's what we really hold important on the cloud code and cowork team.

But it's interesting.

I say along with high because like we really it's about like, hey, here's a problem.

And then it's really everybody on the team has ideas for how to address the problem.

So it's really high agency.

And then we say with high agency is also high accountability.

So it's all about like making sure folks have that freedom to cook, you know, and, but then it's also like, okay, what's the accountability for it as well.

And that's where, and again, it goes back to like, what's the hypothesis of what you're, you know, like trying to solve.

So I think, yeah, the, the balance, like, or, you know, almost like two sides of the same kind of agency and then accountability, I think has served our team really well.

This end productivity is such a fascinating topic.

Yeah, because I remember, you know, like even Boris mentioned, like, you know, we'll first start with like lines of code and then that throughput.

And then I remembered once then there was a debate of, well, lines of code, this engineer had this crazy lines of code, but they just took some library and then just was porting it.

So they checked it in and then I was like, well, maybe it's significant lines of code.

And then it's, well, but what if we're, you know, updating our frameworks and now we're generating less code, but like the output's still the same.

So now it's like, okay, maybe it's, it's like time to land PR.

Like, but, but it's very interesting if it's always been whichever metric it's, it's like, if, if you're really focused on the, like my advice here is.

One is output.

Like, is the output really going towards the outcome?