Fiona Fung

Because, yeah, like the token maxing, it's kind of like a it's almost like the lines of code that we used to have.

But I'm really much more about a what is it that we're trying to do?

Like all of this, you know, there was another saying, I really don't forsake motion for progress.

Because if you're measuring like, you know, like tool user usage, then you're measuring the action, but is it really making whatever the end outcome of your is like important?

And so I really try to zoom out and focus on what is the problem we're trying to solve?

What's the

good way to measure that.

And then that's what we focus mostly on versus kind of like the productivity measurement.

I would say, though, like outside of metrics, especially if on teams, as you're having more people adopt AI tooling, I would say definitely go on a listening tour for the leaders listening to a podcast, especially, you know, I love to focus on the senior engineers as well, like hear from them on what's working, what's not, how can we actually

make it better because they will also help you multiply and scale that out across a full engineering team.

And sometimes it's those conversations where you might get spark an idea that comes up and also really good shared learning versus, you know, like metric dashboards.

It's very interesting.

I've learned some good lessons for metrics.

I'm all about like, it's really great when you have

a metric that you can actually hill climb on, but always keep in mind of is, you know, kind of my whole growth mindset of, is it still serving you?

Always keep in mind, like, is that metric really still serving the outcome that you were aiming for?

Like a fun example I have of this is in the early...

Facebook marketplace days, we were kind of like launching by region and we really want to make sure we're building a delightful product before we expand.

And I remember in the early days, one thing we would keep an eye on is kind of like number of sellers.

And I remembered after launching to our first region, I'm like, huh, in this area, the number of sellers is