Fiona Harvey

I've done this job for a long time and I've never seen...

a government with such a good story to tell, be so reluctant to tell it.

Right.

Because they actually do, they are taking action on the climate and they are taking action on biodiversity.

They're not going far enough, but there's a lot of good things that they could say.

And yet they seem to be scared about saying it.

Can you just give us a couple of examples of what kind of things?

Well, for instance, if you talk about renewable energy, the UK is doing great things in renewable energy.

We are regularly getting to a point where renewables are way more than half of the electricity that we generate.

And this is really successful.

It's bringing down energy bills.

It doesn't feel like that because obviously the fossil fuel part of the bill is going up.

And so people are kind of feeling the pinch.

But those bills would be much higher if we didn't have renewable energy.

That is a real success story.

And yet we rarely hear about it.

Fiona, do you think the full report will ever be released?

I think it will.

I think it must be.

Because it's actually, it's not that bad, really, in a sense, because it's just saying what we already know.