Frances Robles

And everybody cried out together.

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Armando Alejandre!

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I mean, I remember today like it happened yesterday.

It was a really dramatic moment.

Moment for Miami and for the United States.

He was the defense minister and he gave the order.

I mean, I don't think that there's too much doubt about that because big pilots in Cuba are not going to be shooting planes out of the sky without very clear chain of command orders.

I've asked that same question to a number of former federal prosecutors.

And the sense that I got was it would just be really destabilizing to diplomatic relations, even though we didn't really have any, and destabilizing in the regions.

Absolutely, Natalie.

I do see this as the latest step in that escalating campaign.

The Trump administration cut off oil to Cuba.

Last week they announced they don't have any reserves left.

That means places like Havana are going 22 hours a day without electricity.

We keep asking people, what's it like when the power goes out that long?

And I've gotten a very similar answer several times, is that

No, no, no.

It's not when the power goes out that's the problem.