Frank Cervalli

I think the answer to that is yes as well.

So my thought process is if you've got this opportunity to make this bold, brave new hire, I'm not doing it with someone that has shown themselves to be something less than totally upstanding.

So that's how I view it.

I think that's probably fair to say.

I think there's, look, I could tell you some wild stories of just secondhand things that have made it to me from not just the analytics side, but from how that team was operated on a daily basis.

that would blow your mind.

And, and I do think that sometimes things that happened in Phoenix or Arizona with that owner, they did become the theater of the bizarre.

Right.

And, you know, I, I do wonder if John Chica at that age had gotten a shot to run any other team, would the results have been different because of the environment?

And I think that's a fair question to ask, but I think also probably a fair, uh,

statement to make that at that age, John Chayka wouldn't get an opportunity to run any other franchise.

So you run into a chicken and the egg.

So I look, he did write something kind of confusingly a few years ago and Forbes first sort of digesting, you know, his tenure.

And he talked about imposter syndrome.

And I'm sure that

A lot of people experience that at varying points of their career.

I know I did at some point.

I can't believe I'm here.

Is someone going to figure me out?

I'm not any good at this.