Freya

Because it's such a buzzword.

They're like, oh, I don't want to say lesbian.

And it's like, honey, what's going to happen?

lesbian is a good word and people I think still now shy away from it and they're like oh I'm gay or like because they don't want to say that word which for me I think is crazy you know now but back then yeah if I heard the word lesbian there's there's no way I would have ever used it that was a big reason as to why to do the podcast as well because I know how it feels to really hate who you are and it's just there's no reason to hate it at the end of the day

I mean, babe, I grew up so tomboy though.

So like you did.

Yeah.

The writing was on the walls.

The writing was so clear.

The fact I had to come out is embarrassing actually.

So you went tomboy to more femme.

Yes.

Oh, my God.

Wait, I have never heard this.

It's strange, right?

And yeah, I think it's because, I don't know, maybe it's because I was attracted to girls.

Maybe I felt like I wanted to look more like a boy.

I don't really know.

Or I just loved jorts.

I loved jorts.