Gabe Joseph

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319 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard Sep 2025 last heard Sep 2025

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Those aren't their guys swinging a hammer.
They're just subbing the contract out to another crew who's then just coming in and you're just paying the spread on that.
And so kind of, I think in all things, just looking deeper, am I paying a labor pimp or are these the actual guys that own it?
And looking into that and kind of peeling those layers off to get down to the root of it.
Not only is it helping pricing, you end up getting a better response and easier management out of it.
Totally.
Yeah, exactly.
And it separates lean rights and all these other things.
So yeah, that's, I guess, an example of what I mean by looking at it really more as a business and less as a lifestyle.
Totally.
as you're going through the scale period dude because you're not running the same guys that you were maybe you are but like there's not enough of them you need more of them right you need to have a deep bench and honestly at this point there's a few layers between me and and the subs and so i'm not interacting with them but
Hardly ever.
I'm really just reviewing contracts pricing at that point.
But I would say that even at the level of doing 10 to 20 a year as an owner, having that layer of project management, that kind of buffer between you and them is incredibly important.
It just frees up a ton of bandwidth.
It frees up your ability to make decisions clearly.
You don't get over reliant on personal relationships with these guys.
Yeah, I think that's a must have.
um keeping that separation keeping it as as like siloed and having no imagination about the dynamic between builder and sub is is pretty critical um too often gets blurred for sure and i think it's easy like you mentioned like the smaller like dude doing like 15 to 20 units at the product that you guys are delivering is like a really big business and residential construction
i i think it's ultimately it's a choice right it's do you want to that's that's a business there's nothing wrong with it is that where you want to be right if you want to stay at that level if you're comfortable with that do it if not i'd i'd take i'd give the same advice i'd take which is quit around and look at a bigger picture and you'd be amazed at how you know you'd be amazed at how many people aren't working up to the capabilities they currently have just because it's what they've done and so they just keep sustaining
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