Gad Saad

It is almost incontestable that if the Iranian regime in its current form could ever cause great damage to everybody, not only Israel, right?

I mean, the Gulf countries are not exactly putting up barriers against this war because they also are the enemies of the Iranians.

So the...

It's undoubtable that, of course, the Americans have the Israelis in their ear pushing for their self-interest, but that's also called the reality of every nation on earth.

Every entity fights for its own interests.

But that doesn't mean that the Americans are so lacking in personal agency, are so gullible, are so easy to puppeteer that there must be this Zionist lobby that otherwise is pushing us into an unnecessary war.

Maybe another three years, maybe another five years, maybe another 10 years, it would have...

Resulted in a disaster.

So if you are a universalist and you want the Iranian people to maximally flourish, forget about Israel.

Don't even mention the word Israel.

Do you not want these 90 million people called Iranians who have a deeply rich historical legacy?

you know, heritage to flourish.

I've had many graduate students who are Iranians in my classes and so on.

They're some of the most modern, secular, outward-looking Westerners that have been choked for 47 years by a really nasty regime.

So maybe we could celebrate that if all this goes well, 90 million people are going to be freed.

And I could say that statement without ever invoking Israel.

What do you think of that?

So how much of the Islamic regime coming into power in 1975, if you have 100 points that you want to allocate to either it's the US that causes it versus there's an Islamic regime with its theology that is really nasty.

How would you allocate the points in terms of the cause of that reality?

I mean yes and no.