Gavin Baker
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first heard May 2026
last heard 4 Aug
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Because if you can go from just using one, two, or three frontier models to using those frontier models for whatever it is, 30% to 60% of your token consumption, and then use your own RL model, all of a sudden you're not a wrapper.
You're way more defensible.
And it may be, and this is like super ironic, lower margin open source tokens that are just a little bit behind the frontier.
Yeah.
We have friends who believe that once a frontier model hits RSI, it will actually have a dramatically lower cost to serve at every level of intelligence by kind of distilling this.
And then there's no place for open source.
I would say that's like a anthropic, open AI, grok, maximalist view.
We shouldn't dismiss anything.
Anything is possible.
We want to be very humble.
I particularly want to be humble after the month I've had.
But that doesn't seem that likely to be true.
One, because there are so many of these AI natives that have actually generated a decent amount of domain-specific proprietary data.
And before open source had this moment and these inference clouds and these routers really developed, you kind of didn't have a choice.
Like whatever the terms of service were, you accepted them.
But if you can now get off that treadmill, that gives you a degree of independence, maybe durability, safety.
But going back to your point, it may be that these cheaper tokens massively inflate the value of the most cutting edge frontier tokens.
Because if today, if you have, you know, I'm going to make this up.
120 IQ open source models, and they're really cheap to run.
Doesn't that make a 160 IQ model that could orchestrate them more valuable?
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