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Gavin Baker

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Freedom 250 Recap with Bo Nickal, The Hand Anthropic Was Dealt, Fox Buys Roku | Bo Nickal, Gavin Baker, Leif Abraham, Aaron Ginn, Rafael Vivas

Then the information reported that Andy Jassy at Amazon had raised concerns with the senior administration officials about the risk of jailbreaking Fable.

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Freedom 250 Recap with Bo Nickal, The Hand Anthropic Was Dealt, Fox Buys Roku | Bo Nickal, Gavin Baker, Leif Abraham, Aaron Ginn, Rafael Vivas

getting access to all of Anthropic.

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Freedom 250 Recap with Bo Nickal, The Hand Anthropic Was Dealt, Fox Buys Roku | Bo Nickal, Gavin Baker, Leif Abraham, Aaron Ginn, Rafael Vivas

Anthropic countered in their blog post saying, quote, we reviewed a demonstration of this specific technique being used to identify a small number of previously known minor vulnerabilities.

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Freedom 250 Recap with Bo Nickal, The Hand Anthropic Was Dealt, Fox Buys Roku | Bo Nickal, Gavin Baker, Leif Abraham, Aaron Ginn, Rafael Vivas

These vulnerabilities all appear relatively simple.

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Freedom 250 Recap with Bo Nickal, The Hand Anthropic Was Dealt, Fox Buys Roku | Bo Nickal, Gavin Baker, Leif Abraham, Aaron Ginn, Rafael Vivas

And we have found that other publicly available models are able to discover them as well without requiring a bypass.

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Freedom 250 Recap with Bo Nickal, The Hand Anthropic Was Dealt, Fox Buys Roku | Bo Nickal, Gavin Baker, Leif Abraham, Aaron Ginn, Rafael Vivas

So they're saying this isn't that big of a jailbreak.

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Freedom 250 Recap with Bo Nickal, The Hand Anthropic Was Dealt, Fox Buys Roku | Bo Nickal, Gavin Baker, Leif Abraham, Aaron Ginn, Rafael Vivas

This isn't that big of a deal.

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Freedom 250 Recap with Bo Nickal, The Hand Anthropic Was Dealt, Fox Buys Roku | Bo Nickal, Gavin Baker, Leif Abraham, Aaron Ginn, Rafael Vivas

We can move forward safely.

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Freedom 250 Recap with Bo Nickal, The Hand Anthropic Was Dealt, Fox Buys Roku | Bo Nickal, Gavin Baker, Leif Abraham, Aaron Ginn, Rafael Vivas

We've taken safety seriously.

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Freedom 250 Recap with Bo Nickal, The Hand Anthropic Was Dealt, Fox Buys Roku | Bo Nickal, Gavin Baker, Leif Abraham, Aaron Ginn, Rafael Vivas

But that is the debate that's going on between the admin and anthropic.

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Freedom 250 Recap with Bo Nickal, The Hand Anthropic Was Dealt, Fox Buys Roku | Bo Nickal, Gavin Baker, Leif Abraham, Aaron Ginn, Rafael Vivas

As everyone knows, the rollout of Fable 5 has been a bit rocky.

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Freedom 250 Recap with Bo Nickal, The Hand Anthropic Was Dealt, Fox Buys Roku | Bo Nickal, Gavin Baker, Leif Abraham, Aaron Ginn, Rafael Vivas

Incredible demos, incredible benchmarks, but offset by the odd decision to silently degrade the quality of the answers related to frontier AI development instead of just refusing the request like cyber and bio prompts, which that was the main thing that everyone was really confused about.

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Freedom 250 Recap with Bo Nickal, The Hand Anthropic Was Dealt, Fox Buys Roku | Bo Nickal, Gavin Baker, Leif Abraham, Aaron Ginn, Rafael Vivas

The actual rationale behind AI development refusal is pretty sound.

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Freedom 250 Recap with Bo Nickal, The Hand Anthropic Was Dealt, Fox Buys Roku | Bo Nickal, Gavin Baker, Leif Abraham, Aaron Ginn, Rafael Vivas

People are upset about that if they're working on machine learning systems, recommender systems, anything that requires instantiating an AI product, let alone if you're just, hey, I'm just doing open source AI research and I'd love to use the latest and greatest models to help me.

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Freedom 250 Recap with Bo Nickal, The Hand Anthropic Was Dealt, Fox Buys Roku | Bo Nickal, Gavin Baker, Leif Abraham, Aaron Ginn, Rafael Vivas

Now it's not an option.

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Freedom 250 Recap with Bo Nickal, The Hand Anthropic Was Dealt, Fox Buys Roku | Bo Nickal, Gavin Baker, Leif Abraham, Aaron Ginn, Rafael Vivas

And

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Freedom 250 Recap with Bo Nickal, The Hand Anthropic Was Dealt, Fox Buys Roku | Bo Nickal, Gavin Baker, Leif Abraham, Aaron Ginn, Rafael Vivas

But at the same time, just think about the logic.

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Freedom 250 Recap with Bo Nickal, The Hand Anthropic Was Dealt, Fox Buys Roku | Bo Nickal, Gavin Baker, Leif Abraham, Aaron Ginn, Rafael Vivas

If a model doesn't let you hack a system, just have the model build you an unrestricted model that does let you hack that system.

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Freedom 250 Recap with Bo Nickal, The Hand Anthropic Was Dealt, Fox Buys Roku | Bo Nickal, Gavin Baker, Leif Abraham, Aaron Ginn, Rafael Vivas

And so clearly in that scenario, it makes sense to restrict, if you want to restrict hacking or bio, you also have to restrict the tool that makes the tool that hacks the system or develops the bioweapon in theory.

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Freedom 250 Recap with Bo Nickal, The Hand Anthropic Was Dealt, Fox Buys Roku | Bo Nickal, Gavin Baker, Leif Abraham, Aaron Ginn, Rafael Vivas

But the choice to silently degrade responses was not well received.