Gavin Baker

This whole debate is a question of ends versus means. And it's like, we all agree that the homicide rate down 99.9% in El Salvador is a good outcome. It's a good end. And this is one of the great philosophical questions. And it's, you know, we can debate it endlessly. And there has to be a balance between the two. Human rights are a core American value.

This whole debate is a question of ends versus means. And it's like, we all agree that the homicide rate down 99.9% in El Salvador is a good outcome. It's a good end. And this is one of the great philosophical questions. And it's, you know, we can debate it endlessly. And there has to be a balance between the two. Human rights are a core American value.

And I agree, I think, with a lot of what David said. But I also think if you are You know, going back to that homicide rate, the Trump campaign, you know, they spoke to the mothers and the families of people who were brutally murdered or raped and murdered.

And I agree, I think, with a lot of what David said. But I also think if you are You know, going back to that homicide rate, the Trump campaign, you know, they spoke to the mothers and the families of people who were brutally murdered or raped and murdered.

by people who were illegal immigrants and were convicted criminals in their home country and were known convicted criminals and somehow still were not apprehended and then committed terrible crimes that were very similar to the crimes they committed there.

by people who were illegal immigrants and were convicted criminals in their home country and were known convicted criminals and somehow still were not apprehended and then committed terrible crimes that were very similar to the crimes they committed there.

You have a lot of compassion for the victims too, but all they have to do, like one of, I thought, Elon's best moments, and I think, you know, it's what Doge is doing is great. These are brilliant people working hard for free to do things that have never been done before in the government in terms of efficiency and kind of modernizing IT.

You have a lot of compassion for the victims too, but all they have to do, like one of, I thought, Elon's best moments, and I think, you know, it's what Doge is doing is great. These are brilliant people working hard for free to do things that have never been done before in the government in terms of efficiency and kind of modernizing IT.

But Elon said at the first press conference, he says, listen, we're going to make mistakes, and then we're going to quickly correct them. So to me, I think all the administration needs to say, and I do think more due process, to David's point, is good, is like, listen, if we made a mistake, it's terrible, and we're going to fix it immediately.

But Elon said at the first press conference, he says, listen, we're going to make mistakes, and then we're going to quickly correct them. So to me, I think all the administration needs to say, and I do think more due process, to David's point, is good, is like, listen, if we made a mistake, it's terrible, and we're going to fix it immediately.

And it just gives you so much credibility when you say that.

And it just gives you so much credibility when you say that.

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