Gavin de Becker

All of it was discussion about controlling the information.

Why is this interesting?

Because it was in 2019, my friend, before COVID came out.

Right.

So late in 2019, these tabletop operations had already been going on for years.

So I look at and I really encourage people to consider this approach, which is forget about who did it.

Forget about twirling mustaches and villains.

Forget about Bill Gates and Fauci and all of that.

Just look at what actually happened.

If we just look at what actually happened, you have to assume somebody wanted that outcome.

Somebody somewhere.

It might be one person.

It might be groups.

It might be unaligned people who share incentives.

I'll give you a fast example.

COVID comes.

People who used to make perfume sprayers now make hand sanitizers.

People who used to make bumper stickers now make stickers that say stand six feet apart.

In other words, an incentive comes, and it doesn't require that those people all sat in a conspiratorial room at some hotel in Germany and rub their hands together and make the plan.

Human nature, particularly when you centralize big governments –