Gavin de Becker

that has the side effect of reducing population, meaning use condoms, don't have sex, sex is scary, sex is death.

A lot of these things focus on and have the ultimate result of population reduction, which I'm gonna come back to, but I wanna say something about Duesberg, because it's so funny.

In House of Numbers, when he's interviewed, he says, my peers,

are prostitutes.

And he says, I am a prostitute as well to some degree.

He's talking about trying to get funding.

He says, but they go all the way.

It's just a funny line.

He's a lovely man.

He's doing fine now.

I talked to somebody recently who takes care of him.

His son takes care of him.

I was reaching out to see if he needed anything because I would take care of this guy for the rest of his life.

He was a real hero.

And they buried him in the – I mean I don't mean buried him dead.

I mean they stuck him in the basement at Berkeley and he never got another grant, needless to say, in all those years even though he was headed for a Nobel Prize.

He was a great thinker.

So I didn't ever see the show you did.

You did it in 2015?

Like people were very upset.