Gavin de Becker

I can get cynical.

It's not a good place to live.

I think Tony, maybe even he said it on your show, Tony Robbins, which is –

You know, that what you focus on will determine the quality of your life.

So I can focus on the pharma companies and all the shit they're doing, or I can focus on the beauty of nature and spend more time in nature and spend more time with my kids, et cetera.

So my optimistic answer, which comes from a dear friend, Nick Hudson, in Cape Town,

is that even if empires decay, and social decay is outside this studio, it's in London, it's in New York, it's in Los Angeles, it's in Seattle, it's in Portland, it's unavoidable.

Take a drive in Los Angeles.

You know it.

Every freeway on-ramp.

Not some.

Every single one of them has tents underneath it with people living there.

That is not good news.

And so...

But here's the good news part of it, the optimistic part of it, is that survival and thriving always prevails, and it does not rely on these systems.

Meaning you are who you are in the spiritual sense or in the scientific sense, whatever way you want to look at yourself as a collection of energy that doesn't need that body, by the way.

The energy doesn't go anywhere when that body is done, meaning the energy is still there.

It's not destructible.

And so it's indestructible.

So you are this being, this awareness, this consciousness.