Gavin de Becker

Somebody transcribes it, and the transcription is leaked, a little bit like happened in my book.

I got great leaked transcriptions.

And you see these people talking about something that in the beginning they're using euphemisms, relocation camps.

And then they have a little wine after the meeting is over, and they stop the euphemisms.

And now they're talking about, well, what is a Jew?

What if the mother is Jewish but the father isn't?

What if he's a half Jew?

What if he's an adopted son?

What do we do with these?

What do we do with that?

And these people who walked into the room with no idea what was coming are suddenly participating for all the reasons you mentioned earlier about normal people.

Got a job.

They don't want to be excommunicated.

And so the conference at Boncey is the example that helps me remember that, of course, human beings get in a room together.

Every war we do, we make movies about them.

They get in a war, they sit around a table like this and they say, well, we're going to lose 60,000 troops in the first three weeks or we're going to take out this many by this method.

And generals, you know, war generals, they actually, it's not the perfect wording, but I don't have better wording.

They look forward to the first casualties.

Because the first casualties of our troops is what invigorates the war movement back home.

They stormed into our camp at night like cowards and they killed our boys.