Gemma Mitchell

You could just get the quickest win and maybe that is pay weekly.

And you do that and then you go, okay, that wasn't so hard.

Now I'm going to think of the next quickest win that could transform it.

Or you go, what's the thing that's really stressing me?

Okay, I'm going to learn about this thing.

And you take an action there.

Either one would

be a great stepping stone for you to then see, okay, I took an action and then it spirals.

It's like a snowball and you go, okay, that wasn't that scary.

Now I'm going to take the next action.

Where it comes in with Christian's is one of his big things is, I don't know what I could do, like what I can do.

And he likes oversight.

I think everybody needs to actually dive into the data.

So what the Pocketsmith app does is it shows where the spending's going, but we could also put some dashboards.

So like, you know, when you go into your banking app and it's just...

bank accounts.

It's just how it's set up though.

You don't get to customize anything.

You're like, you like, you can nickname them and things, but because he had some really specific goals and they're what motivates him, not, did I save $6 on a coffee?

You know, we could actually set up some dashboards that, so one of the goals was a tiny home that we go, this is the goal.