Gemma Mitchell

I was like, I see this over and over again.

So while his situation is pretty extreme, like when you listen to the episode, if you haven't already, people will be like, these are big numbers.

This is big money that he kind of talks about.

But most of the things actually relate to everyday people regardless of the amount.

So that's what I really liked about him is his problems and what he perceives as problems, they're magnified because they're like on bigger scales in some instances, but they're problems that everyday people face.

So I've actually, I wrote down some key things that he said.

So I wrote them in the first like meeting that I had with him.

So one, I got him to rate his financial health.

So he was saying to me his understanding is like a two out of five, five out of five being.

Your best.

Yeah, best.

Yeah.

The confidence, it was like a one out of five.

It was really low.

His organization, he thought that stuff was just everywhere and felt like it was really out of control.

It was a two out of five.

And then the stress, this is where we actually flipped the scale because he was like stressed is five out of five the most.

So we've done the others as the gold star was one and now we've accidentally flipped it, but we get that.

But his main thing was he could not be more stressed about money and his confidence around managing his money.

I wrote down in your first money coaching session, all these things, quotes from you.