George Butler

You know, why do you want to tie yourself to a vehicle which, if it succeeds, will probably burn an industry to the ground?

That's probably my biggest question, my biggest bug there.

But they're creating those shows because they want to, because they get a joy out of it, because they get a kick out of it.

That's the ultimate thing.

And if you...

If they think that 10 people might listen and find it interesting, then great.

And ultimately, you're taking not just creativity out of a space, but you're taking a purpose and joy that people provide.

And I just look at it and think, we have enough issues at the moment with unregulated media spaces.

And we've seen the kind of the damages that...

the Wild West of social media canon has cause.

And the beauty of audio is it is a safe and trusted space.

And, you know, eroding that is something which... It doesn't sit well with me, James.

I'm far from saying that Ginny Wright and Inception Point AI are the only people, you know, contributing.

That's not my point.

My point is that they're playing a role in... You know, if what they do...

achieved its wildest dreams, it would lead to that.

When, when it comes to issues in this area, you know, it's Elon Musk and it's, it's, it's Mark Zuckerberg, et cetera.

You know, I'm coming to them, you know, and many, many others way before we come into Janine Wright, but ultimately it is tying yourself to that brigade is my point here.

And I,

You know, there are things that are quite scary.