George Kamel

We have $1.3 trillion in credit card debt as a nation and $0 in debit card debt last time I checked.

And even if you play it perfectly, all you've really done is make it through the maze, which you're going to have to keep doing.

Have you heard of Sisyphus, the guy who pushed the rock up the hill in Greek mythology?

And he had to do it every single day.

We're going deep.

That's life on even navigating the credit score game.

So here's the deal, Jonah.

I'm going to send you a copy of my book, Breaking Free from Broke, because I wrote the credit card chapter exactly for a guy in your shoes who goes, I don't want to play this game, but I think it's the only path.

And I walked through the eight different credit card archetypes

Yes.

Of the perfect spender and the world traveler and the rewards redeemer.

Is Sisyphus in there?

And I walked through how to live with a debit card.

Sisyphus is in there.

He's an example in that chapter, I believe.

I like the reference because I look at that guy pushing the rock up the hill with his 16 credit cards, figuring out which one to utilize based on rotating cash back, which, by the way, is for restaurants and entertainment, which is the number one area they know you're going to overspend on.

Yes, that's right.

But I got 5%, Jade.

You tell me that's free money, Jade.

I flew home for free, Jade.