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In hindsight, it ties a few different ideas together there.

And it also shows there's more than one way to go about it.

Ken Hinckley, I suspect his art of coaching might be at the other end of the scale to your art of coaching.

So the ones we know about from the outside, obviously there's one notorious night with Max Gorn where you had a plan to drive him nuts.

So how – like Gary Lyon talks in the day about having a big red target on a player on the team board.

Were you of that school?

And this is, some of the week has been completely lost on me.

It's professional, fiercely competitive sport.

I can liken it to what's happened in cricket previously and the notion of mental disintegration and the like.

It feels to me like to some degree, just people took fright when the reality of what high level sport looks like.

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I just want to go back to the showdown with you in half a tick.

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All week, Kenny, you had to spout the virtues of the showdown, and then the showdown had that virtuoso finish.

How did you go emotionally during the game?