Gerry Dulac

That's what.

What do you mean?

Well, I think this is a direct shot at Charrington.

Because Charrington said this year that they have urgency.

Urgency to be better.

Right.

Yes, I take it.

No, I didn't know 25 exactly.

Art was very much involved in those searches.

I mean, I guess that's how the story goes, yes.

And that's Jerry speaking.

I don't know if I mean, I know that.

Well, if Matt LaFleur became available, he would be considered a retread, but I would love to see that.

He's the one that sticks out the most.

And then he won a Super Bowl.

And again, I view Cleveland as a mess, but I don't think he was the principal mess maker.

I think it was mostly their GM, Andrew Berry, and mostly on top of him, their owner, who decided without their consent necessarily to do what he wanted to do with the quarterback game that took him completely out of the mix.

So to me, he was the least of their problems.

He is sort of looked at as, well, you're a Cleveland Browns coach, so that comes with a negative connotation.

But...