Gerry Thornley

provincial appointment on his desk and I would imagine he would have a big say in that too you know because it will be whereas it will be in conjunction with Leinster but I don't get the impression whatsoever that David Humphries was putting any pressure on Leo Cullen to leave the job you've got to remember as well I know people like yourself think that Leinster should be judged purely and solely on winning Champions Cups

and therefore losing five finals is a lamentable failure.

But in actual fact, their primary job is to beat both suppliers to the Irish rugby team, which they do in abundance.

They have 23 players in the 6th and 8th squad.

They have 18 players in the initial squad for the 4th and 8th national championship, on top of which they supplied 14 players for the Lions.

So in actual fact, to get to two finals in the midst of all that is quite an achievement.

He was 60 coaching and won at least two or three as a player.

Three as a player of Champions Cups and one as a head coach and became the first man ever to both be captain and coach of Champions Cup winning teams.

Yeah, his legacy is significant.

Yeah.

And I think he'd be judging much more than that as well.

You're right.

It's going to be very interesting to see.

Now is not the time.

And in a way, like in all of these things, only history will tell us definitively, Nathan.

only history will judge him.

We could well be looking back in 10 years' time and saying, wow, do you remember that era when Irish rugby got into under-20 World Cups and winning URC titles and winning the Champions Cup finals?

It could be that we'll be very misty-eyed about it, who knows?

But I think, also as well, you make a point, like the five finals, they made 13 finals in 11 seasons under Cullough.

13 finals.