Gideon Lewis-Kraus
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first heard Feb 2026
last heard 27 Feb
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The original story of the founding of OpenAI also was that Elon Musk and Sam Altman didn't trust Dennis Hassabis at DeepMind and Google to be pursuing this responsibly.
And one of the things about the development of this technology is that it touches on so many different motivations in people, that a lot of it is scientific curiosity is what's driving the development of this.
And that OpenAI was originally in a position to recruit talent from places like Google because they said,
We are going to develop this for the benefit of humanity at large, and we are going to do this with an intrepid scientific spirit, and we're going to be careful, and we're going to be responsible.
But then the problem is that this is kind of a glittering object that offers potentially great power to the people who develop it.
And so the seven people who defected from OpenAI felt as though OpenAI had either been disingenuous in the first place with the articulation of their mission or had allowed for some mission drift in what they were doing.
And they thought, now we really can't trust Sam Altman to be doing this, so we need to be doing it safely.
Well, I mean, I get the feeling that at Anthropic, everybody really does trust each other.
It feels like a very mission-aligned place.
Yeah.
at least the people that I talk to seem to be people of great property and integrity about these things.
So it wasn't so much that there was conflict within the company.
The fears are, how do you compete in a marketplace where your competitors might not be driven by the same values?
And I think I can generalize and say that almost everyone at Anthropic had the feeling that they were moving too quickly and the entire industry was moving too quickly and that it would be nice if there were some solution to this collective action problem that would allow everyone to slow down.
But, you know, there are a whole range of different responses to that.
There are people who said to me openly, you know, I really think we should slow down or maybe we should even stop.
And it would be nice if some external force came in and and made everybody take their time with the development of this technology.
You know, there were other people who felt like.
Well, if we're not the ones who are going to do this safely and responsibly, then we are just ceding the terrain to the more vulgar power seeking that we see among some of our competitors.
So it's not an easy position to be in.
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