Gideon Lewis-Kraus
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557 appearances
2 recordings
2 series
first heard Feb 2026
last heard 27 Feb
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And I got a call from them, and they were like, well, what, like, what are you interested in?
And I was like...
okay, for these purposes, what I am interested in is a story that gets at some of the technical explanation that I think is missing from a lot of the public discourse.
That like, there are just some like basic things that I really just don't understand.
And I can kind of assume most people don't really understand about like how these work.
So I think part of the reason why they ended up being much more welcoming than I expected is because I said, like, I don't really care about talking to the executives.
I don't really want to talk about geopolitics.
I don't really want to talk about the future or power or energy or the labor market or like all of these things, which don't get me wrong, are all very important things.
But I was like, it's very hard to talk about all of those other things if we don't have like some broader grounding in like what is even going on.
And like maybe if we had slightly better clarity about that, we could have like a more productive public conversation about these things.
And they were like, cool, great.
And I was actually kind of shocked about that.
In 2014, Google acquires a deep mind.
And Elon Musk and Sam Altman are unhappy about this because what they say in public is, like, we don't trust Demis Hassabis, this, like, evil, mustache-twirling villain, which was, like, a real mischaracterization, to potentially steward the greatest all-purpose technology ever built.
So, like, we need to make sure that this isn't developed under Google's closed-shop monopoly, that this is done for the benefit of everyone.
Now, this was, like, pretty patently disingenuous from the very beginning.
I mean, like, I remember I was out there at the time, and, like, nobody really bought this.
People were like, Elon Musk has a grudge because he wanted to buy DeepMind and, like, lost it to his rival Larry Page, and he was mad about that.
Pretty quickly, the mask slipped and you could tell that these were just like your kind of replacement level power-seeking tech executives.
And that like a lot of the stuff had been just like a disingenuous sales pitch to hire like the best AI talent.
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