Glen Tullman

So, you know, what's interesting is we don't have traditional, here's one or two competitors that you would see in some companies.

When I was running Livongo, we had very direct competitors.

And in some cases, if you look at women's health on our platform, you can get, you know, Carrot or you can get Progeny or you get a number of different, I won't go through all the names, Maven.

But you can get all of those on our platform.

All are world class solutions.

Some fit better for employers than others.

And we want the employers to have the flexibility to use and choose what works best for them.

So so I think it's a different world than it used to be.

And that's not just in our industry.

That's in many industries that you have friends and enemies and frenemies.

Well, it's a fun question because when we initially did it, I received a lot of flack where people said, I thought you don't like navigators.

Why are you buying the leading navigator that's out there?

And the answer was, it wasn't that I didn't like navigators.

What I didn't like was legacy navigators who said, you have to pick up the phone to call me anytime you need help.

And that was the model.

It's still the model for included health.

It's still the model for quantum.

Call us.

We have hundreds of people waiting to answer your call.

But if you think, Jonathan, about the rest of your world,