Glynnis MacNichol

a plane crash during the war, I believe.

And his younger sister had a lobotomy.

And Robert Kennedy and Ethel's children, the eldest one died of a drug overdose.

The other one who had an affair with the babysitter died on the ski slopes.

So I think you see...

In that family, the fractures of expectation and attention and beauty and privilege in all the sort of ways that it's not healthy.

And I think what you see in John who experienced similar increased degrees of attention and tragedy in their lives from a young age, a stableness.

And I guess Jackie was largely credited for that, which I'm sure she deserved to be.

But there's an even keelness there that is sort of stunning.

Yeah, I think she came from a fairly normal suburban background.

In every way a woman can be, she was a self-made person.

Like if you see photos of her from the Boston University calendar,

girls of BU, she looks like a suburban mall rat in a little, like the hair is teased, the style is terrible.

And clearly she gets hired for a Calvin Klein store in a mall in Boston.

And very quickly from there, gets herself to the Calvin Klein head offices in Manhattan.

The understanding of what you need to transform to,

take yourself from a mall in Boston to serving high-end clients in Manhattan is really extraordinary.

And you see, she literally transformed herself, right?

She lost however much weight.

Her hair went from brunette to this insane blonde.