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And Gwyneth was sort of like a pale comparison.

Like you do see the 90s in Gwyneth.

You see it in her hairstyle and Gwyneth would wear those low slung skirts and Gwyneth would slouch in.

not track pants necessarily, but there was still like a grungy aspect to her combined with that Drew Barrymore flowers in my hair aspect.

Whereas Carolyn just was so unique.

Buttery chunks, baby.

You know, I love buttery chunks.

Brad Johns, who was like the celebrity hairdresser at the time, gave an interview, which I'm sure he regretted because he was cut out of the Kennedy sphere after that.

He gave an interview to Newsweek, I think, where he described his highlights in her hair as buttery chunks.

And Newsweek was like, that's clearly the only butter Carolyn is consuming if you look at her svelte.

size fix.

I mean, they took her apart.

I can't imagine what it was like to be her.

They took her apart piece by piece.

They had a picture of her face in this Newsweek spread where they went over her eyebrows and how much weight she would have had to lose and all of this stuff.

She's up for sale almost.

But at the time, I was just like, how do I get these eyebrows?

I didn't have any conception of how problematic all of this was.

I was just literally like, wait, how do I look like this?

My memory of seeing her on the street once was at