Gordon Carrera

Greater Russia.

Business and money.

I guess the other theme of this conference is whether there is a chance that Vladimir Putin might try and test NATO and whether he might see a window of opportunity because of Donald Trump, because of the questions about whether America...

really will stand by Article 5.

The idea will come to Europe's defense.

Does it really see Russia as a threat?

What are you taking away?

What's your feeling at the moment about how worried people here are about America's willingness to defend Europe effectively if the Russians do do something?

So what's the benefit of speaking out?

I mean, that's definitely, there was definitely an interesting discussion here at the conference about how the Americans view Russia even, and how far they're willing to articulate it as a threat, which I think is interesting.

So does it feel odd to you where we are now?

There's a deeper shift beyond just Donald Trump, I think.

Yeah, which I think is…

which I think Europe is coming to terms with, and you can sense slowly, and trying to work out how it deals with it.

Last question, I mean, what is the biggest intelligence challenge then, do you think, for Estonia right now?

Thank you.

So there you go.

I hope you've enjoyed this little insight into some of the discussions here in Estonia.

For club members, members of the Declassified Club, we've got something even more special because I actually visited a former KGB listening post yesterday.

in a hotel here in Estonia, which has been preserved after the KGB fled at the end of the Cold War, where they've got all their listening equipment, which they use to spy and bug on hotel guests.