Gordon Chang
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first heard Nov 2024
last heard 23 May
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But in addition to that, there are Chinese mercenaries actually fighting for Russia in Ukraine. And they are supposedly without the stamp of approval from Beijing, but you could not have... Military age men getting visas to go to Russia and when the regime knows exactly what's going on. So I think China is just trying this on.
They're seeing the reaction of the United States and the West to the introduction of Chinese soldiers. And so it is not inconceivable, Mike, that we are going to see not only mercenaries, but we're going to see China actually fighting in Ukraine.
I know that sounds a little bit inconceivable, but, you know, we go back about six months and the idea of North Korea having, you know, 12, 13,000, you know, North Korean soldiers actually fighting in Ukraine, I mean... No one would have said, oh yeah, yeah, of course that's going to happen.
Well, it's not best friends forever, but it could be best friends for decades. And it is a relationship which is much stronger than most people thought. You know, we had a lot of very smart people in New York and Washington say, oh, you know, China and Russia will never get along. Well, okay. I don't care what happens in the year 2100. I care what happens right now.
And in the here and now, China is backing Russia almost to the hilt. You know, we see this with not only the elevated commodity purchases, which is the answers to the war, but China opened up its financial system to sanctioned Russian institutions. We got diplomatic support, propaganda support, weapons support.
We have Chinese soldiers in Ukraine, some of them mercenaries, some of them there with the sanction of Beijing. So, you know, Putin is very important to Xi Jinping. You know, and yes, he is the junior partner, but Vladimir Putin does things that China doesn't want to do itself. And so, Putin is absolutely essential to Chinese foreign policy as Xi Jinping sees it. So this is a proxy war.
And China is a combatant. We have got to recognize that. We have failed to recognize that. And we're not imposing costs on China for its support of that war effort. And, you know, to put this into context, We have China and Russia destabilizing North Africa, fueling insurgencies that look like wars. We have China with the same tactics supporting Iran in its assault on Israel.
We now have China's support for Pakistan in what could end up being a war. So this is China destabilizing the world. And to go back to the Point about trade. Trade allows China to do this. So if we trade with China, what we are doing is we are fueling the destabilization of the world. We're fueling all of these wars. And if we want peace...
Wir werden eine sehr schwierige Entscheidung machen und sagen, nein, wir werden nicht mit China handeln, weil wir keine generalische Kriege um die Welt wollen. Und das ist, wo wir gehen, Mike. Das sieht jetzt aus, als wären wir in den Anfangsstufen von der 3. Weltkrieg. Erinnere dich, in den 1930er-Jahren gab es verschiedene Kriege, die sich in was wir jetzt als 2. Weltkrieg bezeichnen.
The same thing I think is happening right now with China and Russia fighting directly or indirectly around the world. So all of these regional conflicts, as we call them, they all have global significance.
Their end is to rule the world. Not control it, not dominate it, not examine it, hegemony over it, but to rule it. That's their end goal. And it's not just this world. Since 2017, Xi Jinping's officials have been talking about the lunar Mars as sovereign Chinese territory. So, this is total Chinese rule. That's their end.
And yes, I know it sounds ludicrous, but we need to start paying attention to what the Chinese say. Because we did not pay attention to Osama Bin Laden. We didn't pay attention until that day that we will all remember, where he killed 2,977 Americans. Then we paid attention. We gotta pay attention to what the Chinese are saying and we certainly gotta pay attention to what these guys are doing.
Yeah, we have not heard credible reports on numbers. We've just heard the reports that they are there and they are nominally there for observing. But I believe that they're there for more than just observing. That would not make sense to me, that they were in such a limited role.
It's sort of like a client state these days. It is a state which wouldn't survive, I think, without substantial amounts of Chinese money. Because if the Chinese money weren't there, I'm not sure that the government could really survive. What we have is the Pakistani military is bulked up with Chinese weapons, Chinese planes.
So, for instance, I mean, the initial reports are those Chinese J-10Cs actually took down India's Rafael planes from France. We know that those Chinese planes have Chinese over-the-horizon missiles. And there's just all sorts of indications there. In the Korean War, you know, American pilots were fighting North Korean MiGs with Soviet pilots.
We haven't had reports of Chinese pilots in Pakistan yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's the next step. Especially if this does turn into a war and India starts getting the advantage. And I think that that I don't know if this will turn into a war, but if it does, I think India eventually will start crushing Pakistan and then you'll see the Chinese there in numbers.
The Pakistanis took the Indians by surprise by downing those at least two Indian planes. I don't think India is going to let that happen again.
A couple of hours ago I would have said yes, that's what I expected. With Trump saying he wants a result, I'm afraid that we're going to be pressured into some sort of mutual reduction of tariffs. Remember, there's the reduction of tariffs. That is a win for China. And the reason is, our tariffs are remedies for the theft of US intellectual property and for China's predatory trade practices.
If we reduce our tariffs, this is unilateral disarmament. Because we are taking away our remedies. Because China is going to continue to steal our stuff and they're going to continue with their predatory policies. So, that's a win for China. And I'm really afraid that that's going to occur.
Absolutely. Look, we've had injurious China policies for three decades. We've had injurious trade policies for three decades. We Americans can't think that we can get out of this without costs. And if we're not willing to pay this cost, we are going to be a very diminished country. And so if you don't want a future, sure, yeah, let's continue to buy cheap stuff from China.
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